well, forty, you say they suck now, when you compare them to f1. but with the numerous restrictions made by nascar, it doesn't enable the sport to progress any further. it's taken them forever just to tryout the cars of tomorrow car concept because nascar is so strict.

 

I didn't twist any words around, give me a break. You said and I quote "those cars suck compared to sports cars of today" and I stated give them the tire technology of today and see what happens.

 

It's not like there aren't many restrictions in F1. If you really think that, you would be surprised. Of course, NASCAR cars are dated in technology. I mean, they are still using an ancient pushrod technology in their motors. Nothing special with the gearboxes either. On the other hand, F1 cars use small displacement motors to crank out massive amounts of power. Those moters are hooked up to state of the art gerboxes. This technology contributes greatly to car of today and make cars, such as BMW M5 better then the competition. What american car has anything similar to a 5.0l V10 with an SMGIII 7spd gearbox?

 

no, i didn't say there are any restrictions in f1, but nascar is more stringent

 

WOAH!! check out the FIA regulations before saying that...If it werent' for all the restrictions on F1, they'd be freaking jets in the sky by now. You'd be amazed by all the restrictions in F1

 

corrected, my bad, typo

 

Thats correct, and I stand by what I said. It'd take a lot more than updated rubber to get me into a muscle car. If I were building an all out drag car, that'd be the platform of choice, but otherwise there are way better options out there today

 

ok, lets just drop this, because it appears that we have some nascar haters, lol, and it's never going to end. [&:]

 

But you are not thinking correctly. For then meaning mid to late 60's they helped on such stuff as suspension(helping with center of gravity, sway bars, and chassis stiffness), braking(introduced front power disc brakes and in some cases 4 wheel disc brakes), safty(introduced safty glass in windsheilds, better impact protection), helped with areodynamics(which in fact lowers gas milage and makes a car more stable at higher speeds ultimately leading to national speed limits to be able to be moved up).

Yea ok a your right I guess by saying a 69 Mustang with 250hp, bias ply tires, 4 wheel drum brakes, and manual steering is not as good as a 05 mustang that is lighter, rated at 50hp more, has 4 wheel antilock power disc brakes, Z rated 18 inch tires, and power steering. But you are also talking about nearly a 40 year difference. And all this means nothing because it is all skating beside the original discussion that nascar does infact make ways for new things on the classic muscle cars and the cars we see today. Once again I never not one time said that Nascar is better than F1, I think it is better compitition, I think they make way for new products that show up in the show room and in aftermarket companies inventory but that is me. I never wanted to get into a huge *** convo with anyone about it because I am not trying to prove anyone wrong.

 

In no way are pushrod engines out of date, they are simply a different type of combustion engine. Rotory or Wankel engines are twice as old as OHC engines and I see nobody calling them hunks of junk out of date. But wait they were not designed by an american so they must be better. Also what is so great about a 5.0 V10? Because its a V10?