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Old Sep 7, 2005 | 04:28 PM
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Not to start a dem vs. repub war or anything but everyone knows that this should have been and could have been handled better.
They're poor, they're black, nuff said.
Agreed...
 
Old Sep 7, 2005 | 04:50 PM
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They're poor, they're black, nuff said.
Kanye West got some beef for saying something like that but some1 has to say it.
 
Old Sep 7, 2005 | 10:27 PM
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Kanye West isn't afraid of speaking the truth. I HATE HIS MUSIC. I mean really, I can't stand it, but I give the guy credit for his nerve and view on things. Here's another little problem with the feds and our current situation.

1. Not enough helicopters - Could they be 10,000 miles on the other side of the planet
2. Not enough National Guard - Hmmmm, same place maybe
3. Louisiana Army Corps of Engineers - Funding has been cut to them for the past three years
4. FEMA - Appointed idiots run the show and look to our decorated Department of Homeland Security for what to do, at least Andrew Jackson knew how to pick them
 
Old Sep 7, 2005 | 11:05 PM
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I gave blood today and donated $50, it's not much buy my work matches the contribution, so it's basically $100 donation. Anyway, my prayers to anyone directly or indirectly affected by Katrina.
 
Old Sep 7, 2005 | 11:32 PM
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Also, there was a bill or something in congress last year to appropriate money to strengthen (sp) the levies but was denied cause they thought it was "pork" (a congressman trying to get money into his district)
Not that i agree with whats going on. However, experts said that even if they were to have made them stronger........this level of a storm would have still gotten past.
 
Old Sep 8, 2005 | 01:24 AM
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The local governments had plenty of time to install a mandatory evacuation of all threatened areas before this happened. What happens to all the money N.O. rakes in every year from Mardi Gras.....sure as hell is not going towards fixing a problem before it happens.

A ounce of prevention is worth a ton of relief simple as that, they knew this was going to happen. Sure not exactly when but they knew this would happen. And dont give me the whole "it's because they are black" thing that is such a load of crap. N.O. is around 70% black, if this would have happened in Miami the slow relief would have been "because the majority of the population is Mexican or Cuban" people in this country allways have to put blame on somebody. How long did those people know this storm was on it's way?

I feel bad for everything that is going on but people need not focus on blaming anybody for anything. This is why it is called a disaster, the same slow response happened when Andrew hit south Fla. When there are no roads, no power, no lines of comunication, you can not expect 100,000 to be able to get there and start helping in 4 hours it simply takes more than that. Funding has nothing to do with anything it's the paper trail that leads up to funding that slows the process.

This is a time where the people of this country needs to come together not fight over stupid petty BS. And dont even get me started on the P.O.S.'s down there looting,robbing,shooting,and all that crap.
 
Old Sep 8, 2005 | 08:12 AM
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The local governments had plenty of time to install a mandatory evacuation of all threatened areas before this happened. What happens to all the money N.O. rakes in every year from Mardi Gras.....sure as hell is not going towards fixing a problem before it happens.

A ounce of prevention is worth a ton of relief simple as that, they knew this was going to happen. Sure not exactly when but they knew this would happen. And dont give me the whole "it's because they are black" thing that is such a load of crap. N.O. is around 70% black, if this would have happened in Miami the slow relief would have been "because the majority of the population is Mexican or Cuban" people in this country allways have to put blame on somebody. How long did those people know this storm was on it's way?

I feel bad for everything that is going on but people need not focus on blaming anybody for anything. This is why it is called a disaster, the same slow response happened when Andrew hit south Fla. When there are no roads, no power, no lines of comunication, you can not expect 100,000 to be able to get there and start helping in 4 hours it simply takes more than that. Funding has nothing to do with anything it's the paper trail that leads up to funding that slows the process.

This is a time where the people of this country needs to come together not fight over stupid petty BS. And dont even get me started on the P.O.S.'s down there looting,robbing,shooting,and all that crap.
I agree the country does need to come together and focus on getting everything resolved. Time is better spent at this moment helping rather than destructively criticizing. But, after all is said and done, there is a need of "fingerpointing" when relief efforts are this poorly managed. The fact is, there are people who think, plan, and implement disaster recovery processes that are supposed to work effectively to save lives when time is a crucial matter. They have to be somewhat responsible for the overall relief outcome. And if they have not lived up to what is expected in this extremely important role, they should be replaced.

And as much as it is overlooked and denied, race does play a role in these types of matters, maybe not to the magnitude some would like, but the bias is there. The media twists circumstances in a way that pleases them. I have seen media clips of black people "looting" and white people "finding" supplies to survive. Of course you don't need TVs and stereos to survive and these ingrates are without excuse as well as the scum shooting and raping innocent people. But I am simply saying the facts should be completely and wholly represented. This is not the case... the media makes sure of it... and there is no way to really know unless you are actually there witnessing the reality.
 
Old Sep 8, 2005 | 08:46 AM
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The local governments had plenty of time to install a mandatory evacuation of all threatened areas before this happened. What happens to all the money N.O. rakes in every year from Mardi Gras.....sure as hell is not going towards fixing a problem before it happens.

A ounce of prevention is worth a ton of relief simple as that, they knew this was going to happen. Sure not exactly when but they knew this would happen. And dont give me the whole "it's because they are black" thing that is such a load of crap. N.O. is around 70% black, if this would have happened in Miami the slow relief would have been "because the majority of the population is Mexican or Cuban" people in this country allways have to put blame on somebody. How long did those people know this storm was on it's way?

I feel bad for everything that is going on but people need not focus on blaming anybody for anything. This is why it is called a disaster, the same slow response happened when Andrew hit south Fla. When there are no roads, no power, no lines of comunication, you can not expect 100,000 to be able to get there and start helping in 4 hours it simply takes more than that. Funding has nothing to do with anything it's the paper trail that leads up to funding that slows the process.

This is a time where the people of this country needs to come together not fight over stupid petty BS. And dont even get me started on the P.O.S.'s down there looting,robbing,shooting,and all that crap.
hmm. i'm willing to bet some people who were unfortunate enough to not own a television had little warning of the impending storm, until a couple days before when the rest of the city got up and left. i'm also willing to bet the majority of the people left in the city were there not by choice, but because they had no mode of self transportation, other than walking, and they walked to the superdome. this isn't blaming anyone, it's just what i've seen on seen.

i can guarantee that if this same storm would have hit houston, tx, that relief would have been knocking on the city's door the very next day. it's a bunch of crap that they couldn't get help in there. you say the city's flooded? hey, let's use a boat to deliver water, food, and authority to the city. but no, that logical idea seemed to escape the government. i do however think that this was bound to happen to new orleans. when you're below sea level and surrounded by water on three sides, flooding of this magnitude was only a matter of time. but, that doesn't mean people need to suffer for days and weeks before help arrives.

as for the looters: i could justify breaking into a wal-mart or grocery store in hopes of finding something safe to eat or drink, or first aid. they didn't need to steal tvs and clothes, but when you've been living in poverty for so long, and the opportunity comes knocking, many people are going to take that opportunity. also, when you force people to survive like they've had to, it's any wonder they start shooting at each other and robbing stores. it's a gruesome survival instinct. i can't figure out exactly why some felt they needed to shoot at people there to help, but i wasn't there first hand.
 
Old Sep 8, 2005 | 09:28 AM
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The local governments had plenty of time to install a mandatory evacuation of all threatened areas before this happened. What happens to all the money N.O. rakes in every year from Mardi Gras.....sure as hell is not going towards fixing a problem before it happens.

A ounce of prevention is worth a ton of relief simple as that, they knew this was going to happen. Sure not exactly when but they knew this would happen. And dont give me the whole "it's because they are black" thing that is such a load of crap. N.O. is around 70% black, if this would have happened in Miami the slow relief would have been "because the majority of the population is Mexican or Cuban" people in this country allways have to put blame on somebody. How long did those people know this storm was on it's way?

I feel bad for everything that is going on but people need not focus on blaming anybody for anything. This is why it is called a disaster, the same slow response happened when Andrew hit south Fla. When there are no roads, no power, no lines of comunication, you can not expect 100,000 to be able to get there and start helping in 4 hours it simply takes more than that. Funding has nothing to do with anything it's the paper trail that leads up to funding that slows the process.

This is a time where the people of this country needs to come together not fight over stupid petty BS. And dont even get me started on the P.O.S.'s down there looting,robbing,shooting,and all that crap.
I agree the country does need to come together and focus on getting everything resolved. Time is better spent at this moment helping rather than destructively criticizing. But, after all is said and done, there is a need of "fingerpointing" when relief efforts are this poorly managed. The fact is, there are people who think, plan, and implement disaster recovery processes that are supposed to work effectively to save lives when time is a crucial matter. They have to be somewhat responsible for the overall relief outcome. And if they have not lived up to what is expected in this extremely important role, they should be replaced.

And as much as it is overlooked and denied, race does play a role in these types of matters, maybe not to the magnitude some would like, but the bias is there. The media twists circumstances in a way that pleases them. I have seen media clips of black people "looting" and white people "finding" supplies to survive. Of course you don't need TVs and stereos to survive and these ingrates are without excuse as well as the scum shooting and raping innocent people. But I am simply saying the facts should be completely and wholly represented. This is not the case... the media makes sure of it... and there is no way to really know unless you are actually there witnessing the reality.

I for one have nothing against any certain race, hell I hate em all including mine cause in general people suck but the reason the white people are "finding supplies" and the black people on tv are "looting" is simple.

Most if not all the white people I have seen are taking food, water, blankets, and other things to be able to make it till help gets to them. While most of the black people I see are stealing-yes stealing AI jersey's, Air Force 1's, big screen TV's, and other useless crap that provides no help at all to their current problems. On top of that you have black drug dealers and thugs running around shooting cops, innocent people that are trying to get out, rescue workers, fighting, and all but trying to take over the area. It never was a black and white issue untill uppity black rights people like Jesse Jackson started saying "All that are left are black people" but when they started pointing that out they started making it clear that most the people causing all the problems down there are black. They pointed this out, not the news, not the government, nobody was saying "hey look at all those black motherf___ers stealing and killing people" it was the black community that has gotten on the defense for no reason at all

The local government down there is as much to blame as the federal government. N.O. like I said rakes in tons of money from Mardi Gras, Boloxi Miss rakes in tons of money from gambling where has all this money went? And even if people did not have tv's it is easy to print up 800,000 flyers to say GET OUT NOW and to tell them what is coming and where to go if they need help getting out. People are not looking at that though.
 
Old Sep 8, 2005 | 12:12 PM
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Can't we all just get along?
 



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