why do you want to rev that high?

 

O.K. I thought I answered this well enough in the first post. I guess not. LOL Oh well. I tried. ROFL

 

while he may not be bias he (Sov) is still only stating his opinion....although he has had both on his car and can tell you why he prefers one over the other, to say that a SC on a honda is a waste of time is being blind to the fact of its benefits...

im not starting anything, because these SC v.s. Turbo arguments can go on forever......both have their pros and cons, you just have to decide which one is right for your application.....and using the search fuction will make this alot easier

hope i didnt step on any toes

 

Sovietxday, knows exactly what he's talking about. As hes had both a Jackson racing Supercharger and a Turbo on it. With his SC he made i think around 145 whp, and with a turbo he made 217 whp. He has also done a large write up on this, as a sticky in this section. That is why he didn't state his opinion. Becuase he has a milion times. Superchargers need tourqe to make power, obviously hondas are not tourqe monsters.

 

[>:] ummm....i do believe that is a opinion......so make that a million and one times

 

Before I say this, I'm going to make sure that you understand that I love a good arguement. Although I may disagree, don't take it as a flame or a direct cut at you or anyone else. That's not my intention, I just like to use what people say to reference my opposing arguement. Ok, putting on the game face now. [8D]

First of all, I'm far from biased. I had a JRSC for over 6months on my Dseries, and as much as I love the loud excretion of air from my charge pipes after letting off now, NOTHING can compare to the angry scream of that JRSC. That whine is forever imprinted in my mind, and I know that one day I will own yet another supercharged vehicle.

But it sure as hell won't be a Honda. It made a cool sound but accelerated as fast as a stock GSR Integra. The "instant" boost was no use, the car has to pull so much timing that it didn't really accelerate any faster until it reached high cam anyway.





Want proof? Ok, top dyno chart, JRSC, bottom is the most recent 217whp pulls from the turbocharged Honda.

My turbo spools at 5000RPMs, which means that the car is basically N/A until it spools. Look at the horsepower graphs at 3000 between the two.

Supercharger - 60whp give or take.
Turbocharger - 55whp give or take

5 MEASLY wheel horsies "down low" between the supercharged dyno and the turbocharged dyno... and the turbocharger isn't even spooling yet!!!!

Low end my ***.

As for the supercharger being easier to install... have you ever installed one? I'm inclined to say no, especially because then you wouldn't be saying it's easy. Took me over 2 hours to route the retarded blower belt, and over 4 hours to install all the vacuum and coolant lines into the damn thing. And, FYI, you're not in boost with the supercharger all the time. It, like a turbocharger, is load based, it just takes less load to create boost. Cruising around at 55mph will still be as slow as it is now. Sure, step on the pedal and you've got boost, but uh, as I clearly stated earlier it really doesn't do much at low RPMs because it's a Honda. As for reliability, you are aware that on a Dseries engine the supercharger belt = the alternator belt correct? So, if that snaps, not only does the car have no boost, but it has no power. Bseries don't have this issue, but trust me when an SC belt shreds it likes to take stuff out with it (thank god I wasn't on DSM 450s at the time, it probably would have shredded all the wiring to the injectors and then.... well yeah).

Maintenance that I do for my turbo setup. Check my oil often, quick make sure the oil return is still tight and then I go. Takes 2 minutes, and now I've been turbocharged as long as I was supercharged and I have yet to have any issues... I haven't even popped a headgasket yet (supercharger popped 1).

Both need the same amount of tuning, that's null and void.

Have you thought about this? Your JRSC/Vortech supercharger needs a rebuild... who do you send it to? Back to the manufacturer I suppose, pay out of your *** for the rebuild, and not to mention wait ages and ages for the unit to come back. Until then you'll be without a car unless you convert it all the way back to stock, but have fun with that.

Turbo blows up, if it's a journal bearing it's $150 and 3hours at home to tear it apart and build it again. CHRA's from a BB turbo you'll have to buy the entire thing, but it's still cheaper than an SC rebuild and it will get done a lot faster (all you have to do is swap the housings).

As far as turbo install goes, I found it to be pretty straight forward. It took a little longer because there is a lot more physical parts, but the complexity of it was fairly simple. Route some piping, screw in an intercooler, bolt up a manifold and turbo, route the oil lines, route 2 friggen vacuum lines and it's all finished. *shrug* As far as the reliability goes, like anything, you get what you pay for. You buy ****, it'll work like ****, I bought all new moving parts (new turbo, new wastegate, new BOV) and it's worked like the day I put it on.

Having to care for both is pretty much the same. You don't have to physically check on anything but the oil and make sure the bolts are tight. If a supercharger breaks, especially a roots blower, chances are the engines going to eat it. If a turbo breaks, most likely the parts won't make it into the engine, and if it's the exhaust side they're going to go out the exhaust anyway.

IAT temps are almost always lower on turbos than superchargers. Turbo's will make more power, blah blah blah.

If you want a streetable car with a good powerband, you just need a smaller turbo. It will act just like the SC, pretty much instant boost (the SC isn't exactly "instant"), but will make mucho more power.

Like I said, as far as superchargers go, they are awesome... but not for a Honda. Name me any pro of the supercharger, and I can show you a boosted setup that does the exact same thing and makes more power.

"Opinion" held up by solid facts 1,000,002.

 

I buy it...if i was going forced induction, i'd go turbo

 

lol jesus Sov, your posts like this always make me smile, and they make me smarter too

 

the intake, headers, exhaust and chip was done by the guy i bought it from i put in the stage 3 and short throw in. having the revs go longer makes my car feel a lot stronger on the highend and then going threw shifts seems a lot faster. the vtec holds a lot longer too.

 

why did he put more than one header on the car?

And you've got a 2000, so your OBD2, how did you get it chipped? Piggyback or OBD1 conversion? Kinda interested about the chip.