believe it or not, if you have the toe set to factory with -3* camber, you'll wear tires just like you would with the stock suspension and a good alignment. How do I know for sure? Unlike 95% of the people that talk about camber vs. toe tire wear, I'm speaking from experience.



That was my DD... put 5k miles on with it that low before I sold her, no premature tire wear whatsoever (and 3 degrees of negative camber, too)

 

Here is a picture that shows where the car has been rubbing:



Picture with two people in the car



Get the idea, it compresses to much and rubs.



Do all coilovers lower the car even at the highest rating, or can it be set to the stock height? He doesn't want to roll his fenders so its either coilovers or stock springs with spacers. Any suggestions?

 

stock springs with spacers will raise the car.LOL

tell him to man up and just roll his dam fenders!!!!!! its a 200dollar tool that you can buy, do it and then sell it and get about 200back for it!
most you should loose is 50bucks tops including all shipping charges.


otherwise put the stock wheels back on and get some rims with the right offset!

im not trying to be a DI** but seriously its that simple!

 

Stock wheels are gone :|, what is the stock offset? The suspension still has to be upgraded anyways he just wants to know which isn't going to hurt is wallet too much. Max is $900, and he just doesn't want to roll fenders... I'm aware that spacers increase the ride height, hes not looking to lower the car just wants less compression.

 

I imagine there are coilovers that stay at the stock height i just need to know which ones will last and aren't knockoffs. No matter what the suspension needs to be upgraded, he just needs something that wont compress too much. Spacers aren't the best way to go because it will then look like a tunca truck lol. So coilovers is the solution just which one should he go with? He doesn't want to slam or lower the car just wants to keep the stock height and for there not to be too much compression or so much where it rubs. Can anyone tell me what the stock offset for 1997 Honda Civic LX is?

This seems to be what i need because i don't need to lower the car for it to be stiffer. Has anyone used these before?

Has anyone tried these: http://www.procivic.com/pages-produc...974/index.html




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most coilovers dont lift the car up to stock height... they are designed to drop the car... like my ground controls they will drop the car from 0.5inch drop to 4inch drop.

im no tsure what the stock wheel size is BUT they are not as wide so the offset is different.
i think your wheels offset is about 36-38 offset. the best offset is 42 IMO.
BUT if the car is lowered you still need to roll the lips.
only other quick MAYBE fix would be to buy a rear camber kit and run some negative camber which would suck the top of the tire inwards some.... BUT TO WARNED i have no idea how short those camber arms will go so for all i know the shortest they will go is the stock camber arm length... i have no idea so it MIGHT NOT WORK!!!!!!

smartest thing to do is buy the fender roller tool and just roll the fender lips out of the way!


now looking at your other pictures you just posted the part that might be rubbing is just the rubber cover over the lip... its posible you could just pull that rubber cap off the lip and the tire MIGHT CLEAR... but if it doesnt clear it will cut right thru the tire even faster.... the rubber on the lip might be cusioning the rubbing which is why its not sliced thru the rubber yet, tho im sure its trying to rub thru the tire and the rubber cover so eventualy it will get alot worse!

this is what the wheels will look like if he doesnt just roll the fender lips...




that or you can simply go to local junk yard and buy some stock wheels.

 

Reaper2022, I definitely think I qualify to be in that 5%...lol

and addiction, I might have to borrow that from you soon, lol, I got a little gansta lean myself.

and of course, maverick, those are the D2 coilovers, they are made from the same manufacturers as the Ksports and have very similar build design and piston design. I have ksports for the ek, and if you want a cozy ride, do not buy d2's or ksports, end story...

 

Thanks for the heads up is the ride too much harsher? My friend just may end up rolling the inner lip. What is the highest setting you can set on these?

 

I believe the height and preload adjustments are almost identical to the ksports, and on my ek, i've had them at just about stock ride height, and the lower supports still had a couple inches of threads. You also won't have as much premature spring compression when using such high spring rates. I think factory ek/ej coupes are about 165lbinf/80lbinr, and the ksports are 10kgmmf/6kgmmr. The d2's have customizable setups ranging from 3.5, 5, 7, 9, 11, 13, 15, 18, and 22 kg/mm.

 

So the Ksports allow you to have them at the stock ride height? You also won't have as much premature spring compression when using such high spring rates. What do you mean? How was the ride when you had it at the stock ride height, and did it compress as much as when you had your stock springs? Was it bouncy?

Sorry for the multiple questions, i just want to get all of this cleared up.

Thanks.