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Old Jun 26, 2007 | 07:01 PM
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ur tire size is fine and the drop isnt bad. i'd say maybe offset would be the problem. if its only rubbing on the inner lip of the fender, then rolling the fender would be the way to go.
 
Old Jun 26, 2007 | 08:06 PM
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The rims are 17x7. The tire size is 205/40 17. The wheel offset I believe is 38mm.
check this out: http://www.1010tires.com/WheelOffsetCalculator.asp
your wheel is now sticking out another 26mm (more than an inch!) so it must be rubbing on the outside. Your choices are: roll your fenders, and/or remove your fender liners, and/or get a lot more negative camber in the front (which will not destroy your tires, toe destroys your tires, that's why you have to get an alignment)
 
Old Jun 28, 2007 | 07:32 PM
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mxs, where did you find out that the camber doesn't ruin the tires and that just the toe affects it? How is that? I thought that the wheels being tilted in having more pressure on the inside of the tires would cause them to wear faster. I'm not challenging what you're saying, I'm just looking to acquire more knowledge. Thanks
 
Old Jun 28, 2007 | 07:44 PM
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http://www.tirerack.com/tires-techpage-1/4.shtml

Additionally the vehicle's toe is one of the most critical alignment settings relative to tire wear. A toe setting that is just a little off its appropriate setting can make a huge difference in their wear. Consider that if the toe setting is just 1/16-inch off of its appropriate setting, each tire on that axle will scrub almost seven feet sideways every mile! Extend it out and you'll discover that rather than running parallel to each other, the front tires will scrub over 1/4-mile sideways during every 100 miles of driving! Incorrect toe will rob you of tire life.
camber does wear tires, but wears them evenly on one side and that can easily be fixed by having the tires rotated(meaning actually taking the tire off the wheel and rotating it, tho u cant do it with all tires).
 
Old Jun 28, 2007 | 09:22 PM
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wow, that's very interesting. Thanks
 
Old Jun 28, 2007 | 09:26 PM
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camber rarely destroys tires, toe destroys tires. civics come factory with negative camber. as do many ff cars.
 
Old Jun 28, 2007 | 10:53 PM
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it also doesn't wear them nearly as fast as toe
 
Old Jun 28, 2007 | 11:02 PM
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lets just make sure theres no confusion. to sum things up:

1) misalignedtoe destroys tire
2) Slight negative camber is not bad
3) EXCESSIVE camber causes uneven wear on inside or outside of tires

ok please correct me if i mistyped something
 
Old Jun 30, 2007 | 07:20 AM
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And just to add on to everything, more info about camber:

Zero Camber - When the wheel is perfectly vertical. The tire wear will be perfectly even (assuming the tire pressure is correct). Zero camber is best for straight-line driving (ie, drag racing) since it allows the full tire to "hook up".

Negative Camber - when the wheel is angled so that the bottom of the wheel is farther away from the car than the top of the wheel (the top of the wheel leans inwards). This is caused by lowering the car.The inside of the tire will wear a little more than the outside, since there's more pressure on it, but it's not that big of a deal.And for the most part,negative camber is a good thing, especially on autocross tracks, since it allows the wheel to have more traction during turns.

Positive Camber - when the wheel is angled so the bottom of the wheel is closer to the car than the top (the top of the wheel leans outwards). The only thing I can think of that would cause this is lifting a car, and I'm not sure why anyone would lift a Civic anyway. The tire wear will be slightly more pronounced on the outside of the tire, but I can't imagine it would be much worse than the wear caused by negative camber. Off the top of my head, I really can't think of any real benefits from positive camber.
 
Old Jun 30, 2007 | 02:03 PM
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And just to add on to everything, more info about camber:

Zero Camber - When the wheel is perfectly vertical. The tire wear will be perfectly even (assuming the tire pressure is correct).
absolutely not.

you can have zero degrees of camber, but if your TOE setting is out of spec, then you can wear your tires very unevenly.
 



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