I never said you weren't allowed to, I said it was dumb to do so. Brandishing a weapon round these parts gets you locked up, end of story. No matter what the circumstance, thats how it goes down. Unless of course you actually shoot the person, in which case we'd be having a much different conversatoin right now.

My buddy works at two bars. One as a bartender, then other as a bouncer. His first day on the bouncer job, he had to ask a drunk ******* to leave. That guy went out to his car, popped the trunk, and took out his shotgun. He showed Jonesy the gun, put it back in its case, then left.

He's still sitting in jail as we speak, and will probably be there for some time.

 

Well...I'm not him, so try not to compare us.

I felt that my examples were on topic and were NOT "crap", in light of the fact thatyou hadn't prefaced your statement of "Walking away is NEVER the wrong answer" by saying something like "...In THIS situation".

Your generalized statement also leaves your logic open to generalized interpretation and countering. My wider-ranging examples applied to your generalized statement.

Try to keep your statements of opinion a bit more narrow of focus, or specify better when you mean them to be so. Do you refer to ALL opinions or facts that don't agree with you as "crap"? Your use of that word seems a bit childish and borderline insulting, almost like a personal attack.

Do you have any legal experience yourself? Have you researched or worked withcriminal codes? If the answers to both of these questions is "no", who areyou to refer to someone like Marty or myself as "wanting to run off half-cocked and acting childish", or to compare us to "OJ and Lohan"?Marty likely has a CCW permit, which usually entails some education on pertinent laws. I have a degree in Criminal Justice, served 8yrs in the Marines, and grew up in a family of LEOs. I'm pretty familiar with "weapons and force" laws in my home state, and know that several states are VERY different in the rights and limitations set down by their laws.

You too must realize that the laws can differ greatly, depending on where you live? Where Marty lives, CCWs and having loaded shotguns in a vehicle may be perfectly legal. You may even be able to shoot a threatening person without having to even consider escape. Where I live in IL, Marty could have been clubbed by the tire-iron and, unless he tried to escape, potentially arrested for even justpunching the guy outin self-defense. The law-abiding IL citizensCAN NOT just stand their ground against criminal assailants without possibly becoming criminals themselves. They HAVE TO make an attempt to flee. Laws like this,IMO,only serve to embolden/empower the criminals and enslave the law-abiding citizens. With regards to this last opinion, walking away may or may not be the wrong answer....IMO. Why should law-abiding citizens have to cower from anybody? Marty should be able to pull out his gun and tell that guy brandishing a deadly weapon and followingto back off and behave. It's not like Marty drew down on him when the guy swore or shot the bird unprovoked.

 

Thats weird because I have always gotten treated much better when cops found that I had a permit. In fact one night when I was out I had my XD-9 in my IWB holster and no jacket on. I went into the corner store to get a pack of smokes and a cop walked up and asked if I had a permit, I showed it to him adn then he started asking e how I liked the XD and what other guns I had. Had that ahppen more the once. I did however get slammed onto the hood of a squad car one night. LOL I forgot I had the holster on and the gun was in the glove box. I got pulled over ((just a rondom stop on the highway)). I hop out adn they see the empty holster and freaked. It all worked out because I was all legal, but damn if he didn't bounce my skull of the hood of that car. ROFL

 

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Do you have any legal experience yourself? Have you researched or worked withcriminal codes? If the answers to both of these questions is "no", who areyou to refer to someone like Marty or myself as "wanting to run off half-cocked and acting childish", or to compare us to "OJ and Lohan"?Marty likely has a CCW permit, which usually entails some education on pertinent laws. I have a degree in Criminal Justice, served 8yrs in the Marines, and grew up in a family of LEOs. I'm pretty familiar with "weapons and force" laws in my home state, and know that several states are VERY different in the rights and limitations set down by their laws.

You too must realize that the laws can differ greatly, depending on where you live? Where Marty lives, CCWs and having loaded shotguns in a vehicle may be perfectly legal. You may even be able to shoot a threatening person without having to even consider escape. Where I live in IL, Marty could have been clubbed by the tire-iron and, unless he tried to escape, potentially arrested for even justpunching the guy outin self-defense. The law-abiding IL citizensCAN NOT just stand their ground against criminal assailants without possibly becoming criminals themselves. They HAVE TO make an attempt to flee. Laws like this,IMO,only serve to embolden/empower the criminals and enslave the law-abiding citizens. With regards to this last opinion, walking away may or may not be the wrong answer....IMO. Why should law-abiding citizens have to cower from anybody? Marty should be able to pull out his gun and tell that guy brandishing a deadly weapon and followingto back off and behave. It's not like Marty drew down on him when the guy swore or shot the bird unprovoked.
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AS a matter of fact I do have a Criminal Science degree as well. I have served 9yrs and counting in the US Army. I have friends which are lawyers, prosecuters, and judges. I also have a CCW and going on 10yrs of experience as a bouncer in which I deal with hotheads and gang bangers all the time. I also have a very close friendthat killed someone in a fight over a girl. Which to me is the stupiedest reason to ever take a life. While your sitting in prison for killing someone or dead where do you think she is? I garuntee she has forgotten you and moved on to the next piece of meat, I have seen it numerous times while working in clubs and bars.There is always another way to deal with and diffuse a situation. In this case pulling out a gun in the manner it was done based on the details presented was the wrong thing to do in any state in my opinion. If you really feel you have something to prove that much and have such a hard time walking away where it bruises your manly ego that bad, in my opinion again you have no right to carry a weapon. You will undoubtably one day end up on CNN or the local newspaper as the headline all because you can't control your emotions and shoot someone over a ridiculous comment even if the other guy did pull out a tire iron. Could you not walk away and let the cops handle the situation? They are the ones paid to take care of that stuff, stop being a cowboy and let the authorities do their job. End of argument.

 

This country was founded and settled by a lot of people who were "being cowboys". As long as it's not being abused and notexpressed illegally, I don't think that a "cowboy attitude" is necessarily a BAD thing among private citizens.

Maybe if more law-abiding citizens had "cowboy attitudes", more criminal punks would keep their tire-irons to themselves.

I also feel that ethical law-abiding men SHOULD have manly egos. Predatory criminal punks should be the ones getting emasculated by society. Evidently, I'm not the only citizen who feels this way about emasculating criminals. Several jails and prisons around the country have now painted their walls pink and forced their inmates to wear pink uniforms as well.

As for "stupidest reason to take a life", that's debatable, but I can think of even more senseless reasons I've heard of it done. My mom once arrested a guy who had stabbed his cousin to death for eating the scrambled-eggs somebody in the househad made for him. She's also arrested people for trying to kill somebody who got them the wrong Christmas present. Several homeless people have been killed in this country because the murderers "had nothing better to do at the time.".

Women have actually been a reason for many deadly conflicts throughout history. 'Ever heard of "Helen of Troy"? Her beauty supposedly launched 1000 ships.How about Viking or Native American raiders who stole horses and women while pillaging villages? I'm not trying to justify violence over women, but I can at leastunderstand the motivation. Shooting somebody who is trying to steal your horse may still be legal in some states, while your women are fair game.

I don't even know many men who still keep horses as a regular mount.

 

you guys are all sissies and the reason liberals are trying to take guns away from people. guns kill people. they protect people. sometimes killing someone or making them think you will, can protect you. props to marty, i would've done the same thing i have a bersa 380 and my CCW paper and i dare someone to mess with me... of course i'm 6'0 130lbs, i hafta have a gun to even shiz out.

 

Guns do NOT kill people. Some people wielding guns kill people...and coyotes, and feral pigs, and rabid vermin, etc. Some people without guns kill people.

Blanketly saying "Guns kill people." is like saying "Hypodermic needles/syringes kill people.", or"Chainsaws kill people.". The people wielding these tools in a deadly manner are the responsible parties, NOT the tools themselves. Take the tool-wielding people out of the equation and there isn't likely to be much killing happening. Take the above tools out of the equation, and the killing is still a very real possibility.

 

i don't think you get what i'm saying...

 

I probably do. My post following yours was more to clarify than to contradict you. I should have specified that.