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Old Sep 4, 2008 | 10:42 PM
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I'm off to bed since at this point I am starting to make even less sense (not that I do when I am not tired). I'll continue in the morning.
 
Old Sep 4, 2008 | 10:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Roto
It's addictive, but most of alcohol users aren't addicted to it. Most illegal drug users are addicted to that. Alcoholics most often have a personal problem that leads them to that.
I guess casual users of marijuana, heroine, cocaine, and meth would say the same.
 
Old Sep 4, 2008 | 10:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Roto
I'm off to bed since at this point I am starting to make even less sense (not that I do when I am not tired). I'll continue in the morning.
Yeah, Trust and I double teamed you. I wondered how long you'd last. I enjoyed the debate.
 
Old Sep 4, 2008 | 10:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Roto
Make the punishment harsh enough and it will.
Is there any solid evidence for this contention in the U.S.? For example, does the death penalty deter murder? Likewise, our prisons are filled to the brim with inmates serving very long sentences for drug-related offenses. Has drug use declined?
 

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Old Sep 4, 2008 | 11:19 PM
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Making Alcohol illegal will never happen as the industry is far too large to topple. The number of jobs that would be lost would be astronomical. Now, imagine with me... ...if alcohol wasn't in existence and was created and introduced to the US today it would be considered a class A drug (along with Cocaine/crack, Heroin, Ecstasy, LSD, Shrooms, Meth(pending)) because of its addictiveness and extreme effects on the human body/mind.

That aside, I flippin' love drinking and am damn glad that it isn't a class A drug!!

Now, a class C drug, cannabis, should be grown, prepared, and sold by the government. And legalize, of course. This would make it no longer a "gateway" drug as the buyer would no more need to meet up with shady dealers that may or may not lace the product. Sell it like Tobacco products, heavily taxed.

Hmm, what else was there... ...ahh Welfare. I speak for Milwaukee, WI when I say welfare is a pain in the **** to get/maintain. My own grandmother had to go on welfare after she was laid off. MY GRANDMA, LAID OFF! She had to have a minimum of 5 interviews a week to maintain coverage. Also, she had to have each potential employer fill out this "why we didn't hire you form" for the welfare office. But, she DID get another job eventually. Go Grams!

I love that the Rep's candidate for VP has a knocked up 17 year daughter! What's her number! Lucky for the guy that the age of consent in Alaska is 16. Plus, when McCain has a heart attack and dies, is Palin capable of being president and still have time to care for her 4 month old child with Downs? Even as VP? Is that sexist for me to say?
 
Old Sep 4, 2008 | 11:22 PM
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p.s.

SARAH PALIN IS HOTTT!!!!
 
Old Sep 5, 2008 | 06:36 AM
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Originally Posted by danomatic93
Making Alcohol illegal will never happen as the industry is far too large to topple. The number of jobs that would be lost would be astronomical. Now, imagine with me... ...if alcohol wasn't in existence and was created and introduced to the US today it would be considered a class A drug (along with Cocaine/crack, Heroin, Ecstasy, LSD, Shrooms, Meth(pending)) because of its addictiveness and extreme effects on the human body/mind.
Just to clarify. I was not advocating making alcohol illegal. I was instead trying to make a point that challenges the logic of filling our prisons with illegal drug users when, on the other hand, our society already embraces the use of the harmful and dangerous drug alcohol. It's time to minimize the incarceration of illegal drug users, to understand the many causes of drug abuse (including alcohol), and implement measures to prevent this disease.
 
Old Sep 5, 2008 | 06:41 AM
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I wasn't for incarcerationg drug users, just doing it to the dealers. Rehabilitate the users and send them off to work along with the welfare people.
 
Old Sep 5, 2008 | 07:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Roto
I wasn't for incarcerationg drug users, just doing it to the dealers. Rehabilitate the users and send them off to work along with the welfare people.
Many of the imprisoned had become dealers to support their own drug habit. With a felony or misdemeanor on their record, it is very difficult or nearly impossible for many of these offenders to find employment. Therefore, it would be more productive to rehabilitate and skip the criminal justice system.
 
Old Sep 5, 2008 | 07:51 AM
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I don't care why they became dealers. To me the clear line is right there: if you're hurting yourself - get rehabilitated and off to work; if you're hurting others - go to prison. Dealing is not a pety crime.
 



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